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		<title>By: BillG</title>
		<link>http://rev22.org/index.php/2008/08/i-want-a-funeral-pyre/comment-page-1/#comment-9144</link>
		<dc:creator>BillG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy,

Let&#039;s see, you did say you wanted a funeral pyre.  Sort of a Viking send off.  That has a certain je ne sai quoi to it.  I&#039;m not sure it would be eco-friendly.  After all they had a tendency to burn the whole boat for a chieftain like you.  Of course, if we modernize it a bit and do it in a crematorium--especially if we could harness the heat to produse energy--then we could go out doing something positive.

I know that some years ago when I read Jessica Mitford&#039;s book THE AMERICAN WAY OF DEATH, I was persuaded that funeral directors were vultures preying upon people at a very vulnerable time.  Working with a number of funeral directors over the years, I came to the conclusion that, while some were no doubt vultures, most of the ones that I encountered were performing a real service to people who were in real need of assistance--handling an immense number of details, for instance.  We do learn from expereience, you see.

Back to the pyre.  When my mother died suddenly 44 years ago, she just didn&#039;t come home!  My father, who had been with her when she had her fatal heart attack, had had her cremated and her ashes scattered.  A memorial service was held a week later at her home church. When my father died 30 years later, he had requested the same treatment for himself.  My brother was requested to scatter his ashes on the flower garden.  It does seem appropriate.  Maybe you are on to something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, you did say you wanted a funeral pyre.  Sort of a Viking send off.  That has a certain je ne sai quoi to it.  I&#8217;m not sure it would be eco-friendly.  After all they had a tendency to burn the whole boat for a chieftain like you.  Of course, if we modernize it a bit and do it in a crematorium&#8211;especially if we could harness the heat to produse energy&#8211;then we could go out doing something positive.</p>
<p>I know that some years ago when I read Jessica Mitford&#8217;s book THE AMERICAN WAY OF DEATH, I was persuaded that funeral directors were vultures preying upon people at a very vulnerable time.  Working with a number of funeral directors over the years, I came to the conclusion that, while some were no doubt vultures, most of the ones that I encountered were performing a real service to people who were in real need of assistance&#8211;handling an immense number of details, for instance.  We do learn from expereience, you see.</p>
<p>Back to the pyre.  When my mother died suddenly 44 years ago, she just didn&#8217;t come home!  My father, who had been with her when she had her fatal heart attack, had had her cremated and her ashes scattered.  A memorial service was held a week later at her home church. When my father died 30 years later, he had requested the same treatment for himself.  My brother was requested to scatter his ashes on the flower garden.  It does seem appropriate.  Maybe you are on to something here.</p>
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		<title>By: QueenMother</title>
		<link>http://rev22.org/index.php/2008/08/i-want-a-funeral-pyre/comment-page-1/#comment-9021</link>
		<dc:creator>QueenMother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Chris, you are a better man than me (oops, I mean better &quot;person&quot;). I could not have held up as well as you, while your son took the Marine oath. Wow.....how&#039;s Bev? I cried when my son went away to kindergarten not to mention college (he doesn&#039;t know that, its a secret). Pride in your son is great and that must have been the hardest day of your life.  I cried the whole time I read your post &quot;My Son Ian Joins the Marines&quot;.  Anyway, I feel proud just knowing him and proud of his bravery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Chris, you are a better man than me (oops, I mean better &#8220;person&#8221;). I could not have held up as well as you, while your son took the Marine oath. Wow&#8230;..how&#8217;s Bev? I cried when my son went away to kindergarten not to mention college (he doesn&#8217;t know that, its a secret). Pride in your son is great and that must have been the hardest day of your life.  I cried the whole time I read your post &#8220;My Son Ian Joins the Marines&#8221;.  Anyway, I feel proud just knowing him and proud of his bravery.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got nothing to say. Just wanted to take advantage of the commentluv thing.

Thanks

&lt;em&gt;Christian Beyers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/my-son-ian-joins-the-marines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Son Ian Joins the Marines&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing to say. Just wanted to take advantage of the commentluv thing.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p><em>Christian Beyers last blog post..<a href="http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/my-son-ian-joins-the-marines/" rel="nofollow">My Son Ian Joins the Marines</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that quote. But I wonder sometimes if it can be read differently. It&#039;s possible that a church is doing good works in the community and the community doesn&#039;t even know it. By this I mean that the church members are out and about their jobs and their lives doing the work of Christ but not always in concert with others.

Almost any church can point to the things they do together as they attempt to impact the community for the sake of God. Visiting nursing homes, food drives and pantries, soup kitchens etc etc. Some churches are real good at doing these things and advertising the fact. And that&#039;s great. But I think it&#039;s more important to encourage people to be disciples when they are &#039;out in the world&#039; and apart from the faith community. Too many people put in their time doing good works with the church and then take a powder on the rest of their lives. Kind of like giving at the office.

I guess what I&#039;m saying is that we should be doing both.

&lt;em&gt;Christian Beyers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/useless-idiots/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Useless Idiots&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that quote. But I wonder sometimes if it can be read differently. It&#8217;s possible that a church is doing good works in the community and the community doesn&#8217;t even know it. By this I mean that the church members are out and about their jobs and their lives doing the work of Christ but not always in concert with others.</p>
<p>Almost any church can point to the things they do together as they attempt to impact the community for the sake of God. Visiting nursing homes, food drives and pantries, soup kitchens etc etc. Some churches are real good at doing these things and advertising the fact. And that&#8217;s great. But I think it&#8217;s more important to encourage people to be disciples when they are &#8216;out in the world&#8217; and apart from the faith community. Too many people put in their time doing good works with the church and then take a powder on the rest of their lives. Kind of like giving at the office.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that we should be doing both.</p>
<p><em>Christian Beyers last blog post..<a href="http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/useless-idiots/" rel="nofollow">Useless Idiots</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: BuddyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuddyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should never feel guilty... 

For me it&#039;s more about tithing and the use of resources. If one views their offering as say a health club membership then sure, they expect amenities in return. Nice facilities, grounds keeping, air conditioning, nice playground for their kids, child care, etc. However, if those offerings are to go to doing the work of the Kingdom, none of that matters. It&#039;s a different way of looking at the resources at our disposal.

Kathy often quotes: &quot;If your church&#039;s doors were to close today, would the community miss you?&quot; ... that&#039;s a tough one to swallow. Not &quot;would your members miss you&quot; but does your church make enough of an impact in its community to be missed.

Jesus knew he&#039;d only need the tomb for a few days... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should never feel guilty&#8230; </p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s more about tithing and the use of resources. If one views their offering as say a health club membership then sure, they expect amenities in return. Nice facilities, grounds keeping, air conditioning, nice playground for their kids, child care, etc. However, if those offerings are to go to doing the work of the Kingdom, none of that matters. It&#8217;s a different way of looking at the resources at our disposal.</p>
<p>Kathy often quotes: &#8220;If your church&#8217;s doors were to close today, would the community miss you?&#8221; &#8230; that&#8217;s a tough one to swallow. Not &#8220;would your members miss you&#8221; but does your church make enough of an impact in its community to be missed.</p>
<p>Jesus knew he&#8217;d only need the tomb for a few days&#8230; <img src='http://rev22.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the land around our church...I kind of like to look at the open space...is that wrong of me?  Should I feel guilty for not plowing and seeding it instead?  Concerning burial sites, I hear what you&#039;re saying, but they had them in old and new testament time periods...in fact, I believe Jesus was laid in a tomb...you&#039;re statring to scare me :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the land around our church&#8230;I kind of like to look at the open space&#8230;is that wrong of me?  Should I feel guilty for not plowing and seeding it instead?  Concerning burial sites, I hear what you&#8217;re saying, but they had them in old and new testament time periods&#8230;in fact, I believe Jesus was laid in a tomb&#8230;you&#8217;re statring to scare me <img src='http://rev22.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: QueenMother</title>
		<link>http://rev22.org/index.php/2008/08/i-want-a-funeral-pyre/comment-page-1/#comment-8888</link>
		<dc:creator>QueenMother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, ok.  Regarding the circle of life, I think being with the fishes qualifies for that.....and, is a lot less messy.  Good subject matter in this blog. Waisting good resources just to let corpses slow-rot is not being a good steward to the God-given land and human bodies....particularly with all the preservatives and wooden boxes/vaults. Well, I guess I&#039;m just reiterating the original thoughts in the blog, sorry. FYI, Buddy: the trustees of the &quot;old church&quot; with 7 acres did plant a pumpkin garden last summer.  I&#039;m not sure what they did this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, ok.  Regarding the circle of life, I think being with the fishes qualifies for that&#8230;..and, is a lot less messy.  Good subject matter in this blog. Waisting good resources just to let corpses slow-rot is not being a good steward to the God-given land and human bodies&#8230;.particularly with all the preservatives and wooden boxes/vaults. Well, I guess I&#8217;m just reiterating the original thoughts in the blog, sorry. FYI, Buddy: the trustees of the &#8220;old church&#8221; with 7 acres did plant a pumpkin garden last summer.  I&#8217;m not sure what they did this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You remind me of a friendly argument I&#039;ve had off and on over the years with Bev.

(Spoiler Alert!) At the end of the movie &quot;Legends of the Fall&quot; the hero, knife in hand, is killed by a grizzly bear and it is referred to a &#039;good death&#039;. Considering that the man was an adventurer at heart and would have hated  a slow, lingering, bed ridden death, I agreed.  Bev didn&#039;t see it my way.

I don&#039;t know what this has to do with anything, I just thought I&#039;d bring it up.

&lt;em&gt;Christian Beyers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/todd-bentley-lakeland-revival-punch-in-stomach/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;God’s Love is Like a Punch in the Gut?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You remind me of a friendly argument I&#8217;ve had off and on over the years with Bev.</p>
<p>(Spoiler Alert!) At the end of the movie &#8220;Legends of the Fall&#8221; the hero, knife in hand, is killed by a grizzly bear and it is referred to a &#8216;good death&#8217;. Considering that the man was an adventurer at heart and would have hated  a slow, lingering, bed ridden death, I agreed.  Bev didn&#8217;t see it my way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what this has to do with anything, I just thought I&#8217;d bring it up.</p>
<p><em>Christian Beyers last blog post..<a href="http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/todd-bentley-lakeland-revival-punch-in-stomach/" rel="nofollow">God’s Love is Like a Punch in the Gut?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: BuddyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuddyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I really don’t want to conjure up the sight of your body laying in an open, third-world field being torn apart by scavangers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Man, I think that would be cool... &#039;come on, you saw the &#039;Lion King&#039;... I hear Elton John now &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s the ci--rcle of life...&lt;/i&gt;

I like the idea of being returned to the earth... broken back down to the base elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I really don’t want to conjure up the sight of your body laying in an open, third-world field being torn apart by scavangers</p></blockquote>
<p>Man, I think that would be cool&#8230; &#8216;come on, you saw the &#8216;Lion King&#8217;&#8230; I hear Elton John now <i>It&#8217;s the ci&#8211;rcle of life&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I like the idea of being returned to the earth&#8230; broken back down to the base elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so - they didn&#039;t break anything.

&lt;em&gt;Christian Beyers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/todd-bentley-lakeland-revival-punch-in-stomach/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;God’s Love is Like a Punch in the Gut?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so &#8211; they didn&#8217;t break anything.</p>
<p><em>Christian Beyers last blog post..<a href="http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/todd-bentley-lakeland-revival-punch-in-stomach/" rel="nofollow">God’s Love is Like a Punch in the Gut?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: QueenMother</title>
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		<dc:creator>QueenMother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Buddy, I really don&#039;t want to conjure up the sight of your body laying in an open, third-world field being torn apart by scavangers. Funerals (inground burials) and all the foo-foo that goes with them are for the psychological health of the remaining living.....and, you are correct, they are way too expensive and waste good ariable land.  Personally, I want to be cremated and my ashes made into a diamond by a high pressure process now available.  Or, maybe put in a concrete rock and added to one of the artificial reefs being built as fish sanctuaries in ocean depths. I&#039;m not too fond of the Soylent Green solution.....too creepy. Chris, I&#039;ll bet your celebrators were Irish....they throw the best wakes I have ever attended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Buddy, I really don&#8217;t want to conjure up the sight of your body laying in an open, third-world field being torn apart by scavangers. Funerals (inground burials) and all the foo-foo that goes with them are for the psychological health of the remaining living&#8230;..and, you are correct, they are way too expensive and waste good ariable land.  Personally, I want to be cremated and my ashes made into a diamond by a high pressure process now available.  Or, maybe put in a concrete rock and added to one of the artificial reefs being built as fish sanctuaries in ocean depths. I&#8217;m not too fond of the Soylent Green solution&#8230;..too creepy. Chris, I&#8217;ll bet your celebrators were Irish&#8230;.they throw the best wakes I have ever attended.</p>
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		<title>By: KathyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it&#039;s the same guy.  Very interesting books, if you like that kind of stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;s the same guy.  Very interesting books, if you like that kind of stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, they were quite &#039;normal&#039; - just celebrating life in general and one in particular.

Kathy, I almost picked up a mystery book written by some guy who &#039;founded&#039; the Body Farm - he has a whole series out. Is that the same guy you&#039;re reading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, they were quite &#8216;normal&#8217; &#8211; just celebrating life in general and one in particular.</p>
<p>Kathy, I almost picked up a mystery book written by some guy who &#8216;founded&#8217; the Body Farm &#8211; he has a whole series out. Is that the same guy you&#8217;re reading?</p>
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		<title>By: BuddyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuddyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does sound pretty cool. I just picture those guys having a pretty sick sense of humor (I would think they&#039;d have to). I&#039;d be afraid they&#039;d pull a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098627/&quot; target=blank rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Weekend At Bernie&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; on me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does sound pretty cool. I just picture those guys having a pretty sick sense of humor (I would think they&#8217;d have to). I&#8217;d be afraid they&#8217;d pull a <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098627/" target=blank rel="nofollow">Weekend At Bernie&#8217;s</a> on me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KathyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have what Buddy would probably say is an eerie and somewhat scary fascination with forensics and pretty much death in general.  I&#039;ve been reading about the &quot;Body Farm&quot; down in Tennessee.  It is a large &quot;farm&quot; that has bodies decomposing in every way and in every set of circumstances that you can imagine.  It is strictly for knowledge sake and much has been learned and used in criminal cases to erradicate the &quot;perfect crime&quot;.  That is where I want my body to go...  Not to the MS Society, I don&#039;t like what they are doing with their donations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have what Buddy would probably say is an eerie and somewhat scary fascination with forensics and pretty much death in general.  I&#8217;ve been reading about the &#8220;Body Farm&#8221; down in Tennessee.  It is a large &#8220;farm&#8221; that has bodies decomposing in every way and in every set of circumstances that you can imagine.  It is strictly for knowledge sake and much has been learned and used in criminal cases to erradicate the &#8220;perfect crime&#8221;.  That is where I want my body to go&#8230;  Not to the MS Society, I don&#8217;t like what they are doing with their donations&#8230;</p>
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